Session Start: Sat Aug 09 01:04:07 2008 Session Ident: Tukker 01:04 01:05 reminds me..a week late to ask about the 3 vote ban...i so know you gonna say bustedpunks detection etc just thought was weird :P 01:05 -Tukker- Queryblocker: accepted 01:05 • (Query) 177 • (Channels) 2 • (Active channel) #punksbusted 01:05 ** This is a standard message ** Please do not query me without asking, use the main channel first pls. 01:05 1 sec 01:06 ok, back 01:06 what are you talking about? 01:07 an et vote with 3 on that i queried the submitter...and reply was same as submission and 3 votes and onto ban section 01:08 hold on will find it 01:09 http://www.punksbusted.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=54474 01:10 [02:06] an et vote with 3 on that i queried the submitter...and reply was same as submission and 3 votes and onto ban section 01:10 i dont understand what your saying there, sorry 01:12 the ss shows nothing but a clear scoped screen...submission said multihack...i queried...same reply...only 3 votes and added to mbl? 01:13 lots awaiting adding with 8 votes on et section..just thought 3 votes was odd 01:13 i dont go with what the submitter states, i check the ss as it is 01:13 my q was maybe ss taken just ass someone scopes or unscopes 01:14 as* 01:18 ive been running et servers for years, played it from of the start. the box on the left of the screen also counts for me in making a decision on this. and it doesn not appears that hes scoping in or out, just check where he aims at, with scoping in or out the et game normally always will move a lill when doing that, hes directly aiming at the best spot for people coming around the corner there so he already has been aiming it for a longer time 01:21 what box? 01:21 do you play ET? 01:21 ofc 01:21 then you know what i mean 01:27 nopes 01:28 really dude...not being a dick or anything...i want to tie cheats up by balls at the nearest tree but u lost me 01:28 try it out yourself and see what comes u[ 01:29 up 01:30 you lost me as i cant see a box... 01:32 you also kinda lost me with this: Holding vote unless the submitter states more info i.e. was specced and was aimbot etc , as i dont see what info like that does add to the screenshot 01:32 i look at the ss and thats where i put my decision on 01:33 with all respect, nothing bad ment by that 01:35 but try it out and see which results you do get from doing that 01:35 well i'm sorry but we will have to agree to disagree on this one...the ss doesn't show a multihack by anymeans...a submitter saying yup specced him myself and was snapping everywhere may have swung it for me...but the ss doesnt show a multihack 01:36 [02:12] i dont go with what the submitter states, i check the ss as it is 01:37 so if i would submit a ss and state ive been speccing him he was an aimbot (while the shot is taken from you) it simply means that youve been cheating cos someone states it? 01:37 thats not how Psb does work 01:37 we only accept verified evidence, not hearing from evidence 01:37 no a dodgy ss needs backup..i said may ahve swung it 01:37 have* 01:38 you added it 01:38 still it wont make difference for us what someone states, as we dont go with that, we only go with what is streamed, nothing more 01:38 if we would go with everyone says, then every ss should be banned 01:38 whatever 01:38 what* 01:40 ive been dealing with screenshot with 24 yes votes, while there was no cheat visible at all, only part of mod that had been used at a unpure server before he connected to a pure server, all voted yes. 01:40 thats what i mean 01:40 the ss doesnt show any hack...thats what i mean 01:41 like ive stated several times before already, pls try it out yourself 01:41 i have no interest in the player shown...the submitter..just fairplay 01:41 try what out? 01:42 [02:17] ive been running et servers for years, played it from of the start. the box on the left of the screen also counts for me in making a decision on this. and it doesn not appears that hes scoping in or out, just check where he aims at, with scoping in or out the et game normally always will move a lill when doing that, hes directly aiming at the best spot for people coming around the corner there so he already has been aiming it for a l 01:44 ok know what box you on about (when scoped) but is there no chance the ss taken as scope/uncope happening? a small chance? 01:44 try it out yourself 01:45 ok i give up...just thought was odd...that's all 01:47 If you think its incorrect, then please come with evidence instead of only asking if its possible, then we can have a look at that. In all those years that ive been running ET servers and playing ET, it never ever happened to me, never seen any ss (and the server was full 24/7/365) and had millions of it. he would be the first to have this then. chances on such an ammount of ss, ammount of years playing and running a server 01:47 (ask yourself, ever seen it before) are none infact. i havent seen anything that makes it possible in ET to capture one like this 01:48 i mean, with scoping in and out 01:48 i thought we only banned when 100% and no chance? why only let 3 votes? 01:49 sorry im off b4 we fall out..i think your wrong..you think i'm wrong lets leave at that 01:49 its quite simple, if i dont trust it i dont ban for it 01:49 if i ban for it, then im certain 01:50 sure there will be a mistake once in a while, but again, tell me how many ss youve seen like this with zoming in and out. I havent seen 1 single ss in between those millions 01:51 only way i know is by using a certain cheat/change a certain restricted cvar 01:53 you can see farrr more than me i'm sure but all im saying is that ss isnt mbl worthy 01:55 get me the proof then pls where you have made a comparison shot with pbss while zooming in and out to get the exact same result 01:56 get me the 100% proof thats a hack and i vote yes ;) 01:56 no need to vote yes on that one, as its already banned 01:56 j/k 01:56 i do understand your position, dont get me wrong 01:57 right shut up.... 01:57 clean slate 01:57 just 3 vote weirdness 01:57 shut up? 01:57 add the 8 votes and may speak to ya again :P 01:58 i think im done with this convo if you tell me to shut up 01:58 i was j/k 01:58 -Tukker- Queryblocker: accepted 01:58 • (Query) 178 • (Channels) 2 • (Active channel) n/a 01:58 ** This is a standard message ** Please do not query me without asking, use the main channel first pls. 01:58 ok 02:00 if anyone can give me clear proof that pb is able to capture it with zooming in and out, then i might change my opinion, but after millions of ss and playing it myself for years, i still have to see that proof 02:00 again, only way i know is a certain cheat and or a protected cvar 02:00 did you have other info on the guid or ip? 02:01 we do not release further info as by our rules 02:01 but did that sway you to ban after only 3 votes? 02:01 may i ask why you ask? 02:02 because i know you can see all violations etc that arent logged if i search a guid/ip 02:03 we can see way more, thats correct. If ive seen more on this one, i can not release info about that 02:04 y? he on the mbl now 02:04 we dont release further info as by our rules 02:05 hes on the MBL and thats the info you can look up, whats more logged wont be released on any ban 02:06 new key, new chance. releasing more info would just corner our rules weve set in place as this would still frame the player. sure i hate cheaters, but we have the simple rule new key new chance, by releasing more info this rule could also go in the bin 02:08 btw dont forget im one of the good guys but on your answers...i advise a run to the whitehouse :P 02:08 glad i live in europe 02:09 :O 02:09 lol 02:09 :p 02:09 stranger things have happened 02:10 come on, thats pants (a saying in the UK :P ) 02:10 hence the name 02:10 hehehhe 02:10 but yeah 02:10 i dont live in the UK either 02:10 :p Session Close: Sat Aug 09 03:18:40 2008 Session Start: Sun Aug 10 00:06:07 2008 Session Ident: Tukker 00:06 Session Close: Sun Aug 10 00:07:13 2008 Session Start: Sun Aug 10 23:56:45 2008 Session Ident: Tukker 23:56